--And men fancied he was dusted in gold. Bill Harford doesn't really showmuch recognition in th emorgue scene. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" He wasn't positive. It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. "Kelpzoidzl"
wrote in message news:47881976$0$11015$4c36@roadrunner.com "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message. Does anyone else sense the inspiration of the mask designs from the film Eyes Wide Shut? Sakyamuni had taught that simpleminded people of even blind faith are way ahead of these blabbering, eliteist, arrogant intellectuals. He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. But he still wasn't sure after reading the news story, or even aftervisiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanationindicated. Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. >> When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"> but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him at> the orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? Again. In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. In keeping with the filmmaker's quest for perfection, the shoot for Eyes Wide Shut famously rolled on, with the movie holding the record for the longest consecutiveshoot, as filming began in late 1996 and wrapped in mid-1998. It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)> would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elites> doesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who do> recognise the realities of social power and of desire are just> paranoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those who> attribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are being> properly paranoid). Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. Let him go! I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. WebIn Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut, the protagonist Bill arrives at a secret party/orgy: Shortly after arriving, he is warned by a masked woman to leave ASAP. Crumb Eye. > He didn't recognise her voice. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." >>Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >>her voice in his head while looking over the body. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). >>>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton people> only learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious of> his manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coat> pocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do, > you want me to say?..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. ME> Again. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very. Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. But it is obvious from Kubrick's portrayal of Somerton that thewomen are there purely as sex-workers, are there toservice the inner sanctum of male patriarchy in the ritualized desire-space of the power elite at Somerton. But the worst thing is your silly and smug arrogance. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? <<<<<<<<<<<<<. Well at least you're ostensibly modest enough to acknowledge yourunfamiliarity with such a concept, but then you proceed to betray yourdumb, sniggering agenda by perpetuating your ignorance with adismissive, anti-intellectual fart: > My extra-fat dictionary yields the> following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". I think this feeling of > guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to > all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! 0. Somerton could hardly be >> >>>>>> described (and>, >> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. Somerton could hardly be > >>>>>> described (and. > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. >>>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>>wearing> masks? So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) thiswould 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. How? > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, > etc. Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. Let's get out of here.You're my witness. The lower part is made of paper-mache, while the upper one >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come together. Statanic mass? What else could he call it? You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. >>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >>him. However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. <<<<<<<<< ceremony/orgy. WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite a few notches below EWS. WebSynopsis. You saw her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor Cruise go free. WebEyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By NomadMessenger From $8.79 Wide Awake during 2020, by Haus of Butterfly Flat Mask By hausofbutterfly From $10.99 Eyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By ArjunVile From $10.99 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By Misschemical From $9.16 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By > > On Jan 11, 6:50 am, dumb_n00b wrote: > > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< wrote:> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey . '<<<<<<<<<<< I think it is clear he was > referring to the Somerton party. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it? The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. EWS was potential. >>What else could he call it? because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film > audience.>, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of> 'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simply> because of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?> And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member of> the power elite? Statanic mass? He's eventually discovered and forced to remove his mask but is saved from a bleak fate by another masked woman who tried to warn him to leave earlier. Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. >on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >him. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. >What else could he call it? Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. Orgy? That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" No, it was just set up that way, as a puzzle, so that there would beendless discussion. Is that how youwould describe it? Superman movies must keep him in the pre 80s, or he needsto do some serious upgrading. i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. Desire is always the desire of theOther our dreams constituring the realisation of desire. In a > case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his > mind, but he was kinda busy. But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although > it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. <<<<<<<<<<<. So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? He didn't recognise her voice. But which'party' is Bill referring to? The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." > the same time, being simple and concrete. Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I > know.". S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. The first several times I saw the film I though what the op thought. While the final movie was greeted with somewhat mixed reviews at the time, the appreciation for Eyes Wide Shut has only grown since its 1999 debut. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. :>I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film. Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. and she replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," Mandy says, "I know." A part-time hobby soon blossomed into a career when he discovered he really loved writing about movies, TV and video games; he even (arguably) had a little bit of talent for it. > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. Here was Stanley Kubrick, for many the worlds greatest living filmmaker, returning with his first finished project in 12 years a sexually provocative adult drama, utterly shrouded in secrecy, starring pre-eminent Hollywood power couple Tom And isn't this the mistake that many of the film's> critics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,> desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidy> denouement? That is a possible explanation. Regardless of the different actresses in the credits, what I see is that the woman at the ceremony, who redeems him, apparently the "mysterious woman," has a small freckle/mole on her chest about 2 inches to her left side of center, above her breasts, which I think, can also be seen slightly on the corpse. As for Kelpzoid's rants on the topic - isn't there a RAW Illuminatusng out there somewhere? Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. at the> ceremony/orgy. Are we not acceptingZiegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectivelyinterpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlierevents of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeplysuspect account? Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. Congratulations. > So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) this> would 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? Tragically it was the director's final film with Kubrick dying less than a week after screening an incomplete cut for the studio and its stars. In contrast, why does the masked woman seeminglyalready know much more than they do? Why would he demand that she take offher mask if this were so? >Apparently word of Bill's> entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. In contrast to the Ziegler-Bill poolroom scene clearing up allambiguities (Ziegler's seeming 'commonsensical' and desublimating'explanation' of the Somerton ritual), as many have complained in thepast, this scene instead multiplies and amplifies the uncertainties.Ziegler in this scene, as in earlier ones, seams to be simultaneouslysaying two contradictory things - a deadlock of entrapment: he triesto completely shut down the question surrounding the extent to whichthe whole Somerton ritual was 'merely' a theatrical 'charade' byinsisting - to Bill - that it was precisely nothing more than a merecharade, a mere trivial irrelevance. If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. > But the credits have Abigail Good as> "mysterious woman" and Julienne Davis as Mandy. The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be confused. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. He wasn't positive. And you bring up anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? On Feb 26, 3:27 pm, "Avoid normal situations. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? He only ultimately acceptsZiegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. > But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the events> at Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. If we try to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries. If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. Yes, the uncertainty about the identities of the women is Structuralto the film's splintered narrative. Same voice. > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. (meaning the Mysterious woman) "victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the women at the party, well victor, maybe i'm missing something heyou call it a Charadetell me what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". Somerton could hardly be >>>>>> described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." >In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is), So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<. The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. (2) With AT&T recently announcing that they will dump almost all of their public pay phones, where can he change? So is Ziegler lying? And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. >He also must have recognized> the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a> tinge of distinctive accent. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the slightest. at the >> ceremony/orgy.>, > Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice?>. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. He treated her as a not-very-importantpatient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery. If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? Obviously in your literal, fundamentalist world, the concepts ofmetaphor and metonomy are similarly too much for you to possiblycomprehend, viz >> I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. I am ready The Redeemer's voice does sound alot like Mandy's voice, both with a hint of a New York accent. > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". <<<<<<<<<<. > certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. Amazing. You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. It was a party nevertheless. I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. This is simple. In a case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his mind, but he was kinda busy. All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? ". 0. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. This is the implication of Dream Storytoo - with the movie being quite faithful to the structure of the novella - though Kubrick obviously leaves this moment up to interpretation. This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. we talked about this about 8 years ago on this newsgroup . The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any > way. Orgy? 20 years ago today, the final masterpiece from the late, great Stanley Kubrick arrived in theaters. ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. Is that how > you> would describe it? The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. It is odd that Bill would remember his patient he hadn't seen in at least a year, owned "Rainbow Fashions?" 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