chances of getting caught lying on faa medical

You do not have to be Richard Collins or Ernest Gann simply a GA pilot with a story youd share with friends sitting in the hangar. This doesnt happen very often because Oklahoma City deals with up to 700,000 to one million people a year but if one does get caught then one could face some legal trouble in court. My 10k already spent, to me was wasted. Because of the Medical, no physician is my friend and neither are their nurses because they can enter accurate or inaccurate information into your record either one of which will condemn you. Id had apnea for several years, napped daily once or twice. I agree that the FAA has an interest in regulating commercial pilots but anyone else should have to produce a drivers license. 'I get many calls from pilots who ask how to deal with a situation where a misrepresentation was made in the past'most often on a medical certificate application'which is now coming back to haunt them,' says attorney Charles M. Finkel. Others accept what the agency is trying to do'protect everyone's best interests'and play by its less-than-perfect rules. The questionaire is so impossible to answer honestly because it uses the word ever. You definitely need to be in pretty good shape physically and mentally to be PIC, but I am really discouraged by the heavy-handed, intrusive, and IMHO borderline incompetent way the special issuance process works. My wife bought me some flight lessons for my birthday. If you do or don't disclose, that's your business. If I continue to wish to fly.I had better take care of myself by good nutrition and exercise..on the issue of lying no, I would not lie because not only is it stupid it is cause for losing the ticket. He had diabetes. Experts offer these tips: When he isn't flying, Paul Engstrom writes and edits from Sebastopol, Calif. Specifically, those questions are question 17 (the question about current use of medications), question 18m (the question about mental disorders of any sort), and question 19 (the question about visits to healthcare professionals in the past 3 years). That may boost your chances of passing the exam or minimizing delays on the FAA's end. In everyones childhood years a lot of people are diagnosed with child Asthma so come on people who is the one really lying here YOU ARE. You said they can search, where do they find that information? Crashing airplanes? Why is such a standard not imposed on motorcycle or car owners ? Returning home, the Civil Aviation Medical Board cleared me for flying. You know what, I think we should drown the FAA in paperwork in protest. It's better to try to resolve a condition first than to risk having your application rejected or delayed for months by the FAA. What I think is if a driver goes to the DMV to go get his eyes checked then that drivers license should be his medical as his third class and it would save the government money because there wouldnt be as many pilots to go after it would just be the professionals. No faxes or emails are allowed. I have been asymptomatic for all of those years and I am on no medication. Bungee jumping. If you fly only pilot with family and friends, your Medical certification, whether with the AME/FAA or flight-to-flight, is about them. If thats not a bigger threat to safety, I dont know what is. Driver licenses are not issued by the Feds. As John and Dickie do point out, there are rules and hence bureaucracy in place to protect the masses. Friend of mine had a partner in his business who owned a beautiful Cessna 182. and moved on to checking the no column for the rest of the page. Ive seen pilots successfully conquer exams and die days later (in flight). My driving record is perfect, but I have been wondering if the FAA will reject my certificate because of an assault charge that happened five years ago back when I was in highschool. Fly over open country and probably be able to put the plane down in a field if there were trouble but the FAA has a BIG resounding NO for that. Assuming you appropriately responded to one of these three questions, your application was likely deferred and the FAA sent you a letter, requesting medical records. The FAA gives final denial to only 0.01% of applications. Your family and friends consider you more important than any flying you may do. A large gray area separates these two extremes, however. Took the FAA medical (stand on this leg, stand on that leg can you see anything out of this eye, can you see anything out of that eye). The FAA Medical requirements need revision and made more rational instead of simply being a procedural nightmare for pilots. His point is that no one requires commercial Beyond criminal penalties and keeping your pilots license, there are many other reasons to be forthright with your FAA Aviation Medical Examiner (AME), but for now just as a thought experiment consider that you choose to falsify your medical certificate application. Im sorry to hear about your bad experience. Do you need a medical to operate a large motor home, car, boat, sand dune buggy, tractor, motorcycle, etc, etc. John has been quoted or mentioned in major publications, including Chron, Flying Mag, and National Review. Is the time and expense involved worth it? TH REASON IS FOR INJURIES I RECIEVED WHEN MY 01 LANDED WITH OUT A RUNWAY. Also my flight instructor was telling me that he knew an applicant who lied about his criminal history for shoplifting and two to three months later the FAA found out and pulled his medical currently and he did not hear back for any clearance to fly again so these are great examples why not lie. NONE . Theres also the issue of things that a doctor may speculate on that they have no training or qualifications to formally diagnose. Stan, what is the diagnosis for which you have special issuance? I went to my own doctor who advised me it was nothing to worry about. Jack, petition the FAA to quit demanding the maintenance of wakefulness test. If you are currently taking any of these medications or other type of stimulant, expect your Aviation Medical Examiner (AME) to defer your application and ultimately for the FAA to deny your application until the medication is discontinued (and potentially for at least 90 days thereafter). It doesnt seem to exhibit much intelligence to uselessly act excited after the fact instead of before. WOW they had a conniption, and I lost my ticket for several months while they dithered. This is left bundle branch block which is a stop as far as the CAA is concerned. This is just as important an issue as the proverbial get homeitis.. One DUI is not disqualifying. My AME is like a brother to me and a damn good doc to boot Lamentably, if I have something which could be a liability to me on my next medical, I can not ask my AME/best friend about my problem, and discuss it with him. Its possible that a pilot could fill out a MedXpress form to the best of their knowledge and still leave something off that could be revealed in an investigation. And, actually, the FAA is making Special Issuance less of a problem for certain diseases. You get caught lying on a medical, they'll do a lot more than just bust your balls. However the CAA would not accept the word of the doctors at the hospital nor my own doctor and insisted I had to follow the procedure. Alternatively, upon 90-days of discontinuation of medication, you can potentially undergo the requested neuropsychological testing prescribed by the FAA. Question 17 can identify for the FAA that an individual is currently taking a disqualifying medication such as Adderall, Ritalin, Concerta, Strattera, etc, commonly used to treat ADHD. Now that I have no further problems I have to take an Awake and Alert test annually. So Rex you never spun around and got dizzy as a child? But, I dont think my level of forthcoming on the application was typical. The most recent was a year and a half ago. Hmmm Wiley Post was one of the great Aviators flue around the world was he Illeagle??? At a certain point there is the issue of freedom vs safety. The AME also cannot read their minds, so he cannot go beyond a reasonable interpretation either to help with these questions. Again, take a look at the AME Guide on the FAA website. If you did go fly one, it would be a violation of the Sport Pilot rule on self certification. Think about what the FAA is likely to be interested in: Onset of chronic disease, like high blood pressure or type II diabetes. Neither IFA, nor Paul Engstrom assume any responsibility or liability for events that occur due to actions you or others on your behalf take based on the information given in this article. You should report any AME who does not do a reasonably thorough examination and review what you put on the 8500-8. AMCD will consider much more than the information you submitted in MedXPress and your AMEs exam findings. The best advice we can give you is to visit an aviation medical examiner (AME). As the FAA put it, a pilot must ground themselves if they are unable to meet the requirements for the medical certificate.. Lie and get caught, you will lose your ticket, get fined, and possibly go to jail. I am a nurse and I see it all of the time. Im sorry to hear that. Pilots lying on the there 1st 2nd and 3rd class medicals happens all the time, and it happens just as much as people going to MEPS for the Military. Now then, back to your question do pilots lie about medical conditions to their AME naaaaaaah! 6 months and 2 weeks earlier I had one done for a Peace Corps application and sent that in, which would have been good for 2 years. If its temporary, shaddup about it. Im no danger to anyone because I dont particularly like myself. He had me sit where I could not see him so that I could not tell when he hit the switch that turned on the tone I was required to listen for. So please just be honest you they are gonna find out about one day or another just like the case out in California back in 2005 for pilots lying about question 18y Medical disability benefits and many of them were in legal trouble. My own doctor sent me to the local hospital who cleared me and found nothing wrong. Simply having an assault on record does not by itself result in denial. Email me at [emailprotected]. This is very disturbing to say the least, why bother imposing rules, laws or the like if there is no punishment implemented??? In this case, you can cast doubt on the original diagnosis and attempt to avoid further evaluation. Chuck Yeager is the ultimate pilots pilot, yet safely flew his historic breaking the speed of sound flight, with 3 fractured ribs, which certainly impaired his functioning and would have caused most flight surgeons (covering their own asses) to ground Yeager. I can meet Class 1 if I fib. I am a physician instrument pilot with an appreciation for medical limitations. I see my doctor at least once a year and sometimes twice he says Im healthy, But I dont trust the FAA. In my opinion the medical standards of evaulating pilots needs to be changed in light of new treatments. Youre making a mistaken assumption that its never a safety issue. If it is not recurrent, you should be able to demonstrate with help from your private treating physician that the problem no longer exists. The all have SODA and continue to fly. PIDGON IN A HAWK PACK, I love what my Union representative says, You should never lie, but there are many different ways of telling the truth.. We have a very good AME in our area. (No misprint.) I dont want to hide anything from him. Now compare the above tabulation with: GA total deaths 400 Keep in mind that the FAA receives something like 430,000 8500-8 each year. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. The FAA Cannot possibly know all the doctors or hospitals you have ever been to unless you tell them. It has caused unnecessary pain and inhibits its mission to promote aviation. Now you tell me how sad it is when an idiot declares you have daltonism and denies you the ability to fly, so ruining your dream forever. I reported hypertension and was required to have an entire cardiac work-up within the past 6 months. They have little to do but think up new restrictions, all under the banner of safety. Im older now and have some typical late 40s health issues. Still there are occasional exceptions where a commercial or airline pilot dies in the cockpit. No pill makes that any different no weekly conversation with an over-paid, disinterested asshole makes it different either. Misdiagnosed with epilepsy. Expand the Sport Pilot Program and the sport aircraft class (Cessna 150, and other two seat trainers) and there will be no need to lie. The FAA revised 61.53 to include under this prohibition sport pilots who use a current and valid U.S. drivers license as medical qualification.. But, sooner or later, most pilots will develop a medical condition that they cannot hide. Please remember, he has a liability also. The same diseases that the FAA uses to ground pilots should restrict driving. You want to be an ATP, you have two pilots. Further, you fly with your family and maybe some of your employees if you use an aircraft for business transporation. Before every flight (sometimes several per day) I self qualify myself THAT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY AS PIC!!! By comparison, about that same number of deaths a year are caused by lightning strikes or even falling out of bed. What Are the Chances of and Penalties for Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? Back when I was an F/O we flew in airplanes with single head radios. I do recommend that you do ask your AME any questions regarding your medications and or your medical history and assist in the gathering of medical records relating to what condition you may have and also the same for your arrest/and or correctional history to explain why on the medical form in the explanations page. Auto correct makes illiterates of us all. We only use the The fibbing about a little issue. There are also considerations for appeal to the National Transportation Safety Board, but this option will be also be dependent on discontinuation of the disqualifying medication and your ability to develop an argument that the underlying diagnosis was not accurate. Counseling, HTN, whatever. I have to do the same stuff to go ice diving. And, apparently, if and applicant for a first medical certificate with student certificate has had epilepsy, he/she can be deferred even if seizure-free for more than 10 years. How is that fair? In reality, all pilots (no matter what their license) self-certify their fitness to fly every time they fly. Taint worth messing up folks. He was convinced if he had the physical and they discovered something bad, hed have to admit it to the AME. First class medical exams can cost up to $200. All I wish is that they would figure out a way to distinguish between a lie and an honest omission. Personally, I feel that if I am medically safe enough to drive then I should be safe enough to fly. Many pilots get away with submitting false information on their MedXPress applications. The 3rd class medical crosses the line where freedom is unreasonably denied in the pursuit of absolute safety. While a diabetic can develop hypoglycemic coma, a cardiac patient faint from an arrhythmia, or a patient become mentally impaired from an excessive dose of a medication, the real world evidence does not support that such incidences are common enough to recommend banning driving by those with such medical conditions. I am not an AME but am a flying physician with long experience chairing and serving on the EAA Aeromedical Council. Look at that, all 4 of them had a diagnosis from the VA. More than anything, this should be pressing the FAA to adjust how they look at mental illness and flying. People, in general, are in better health than they were 20-30 years ago, largely by not smoking, watching their weight, eating less fatty foods, etc. I am working on my private pilot license and I was honest and admitted to an episode of seasonal depression treated with medication (which I no longer require or take). Does the FAA really pull your medical permanently? Before I was flying my previous HMO physician told me I was the perfect patient for the insurance company because I hadnt shown up for seven years. Two years later fifty percent of the same Medical Board had differences of opinion, and being naturally frustrated I decided to visit UK, and was told by specialists there that systolic heart murmur does not prevent me from flying. In short, the FAA doesnt check medical records unless they have a reason to i.e. Willy post had only one eye should he have been grounded.??? (BTW, I am a member of both.) If you were diagnosed with ADHD when you were in school but havent taken medication or experienced symptoms in 15 years, you still are required to answer yes to question 18m. Instead, they send a letter asking for more information from you and your doctors. Many of the changes result in the easing or clarifying the rules for AMEs to follow. Anyway if your willing I have a ton of questions for you. Commercial pilots, or military pilots or leisure pilots may have lied during their lifetimes, but it is unfair to only single out the pilots. They even asked me are you sure you never had epilepsy attacks?. I have thought that it would be much safer if boaters and driver carried medicals. How about providing you SSAN when the FAA does not need it? A good AME will tell you how to jump through the hoops so that when you go for your FAA medical certificate, you have all the data needed for the FAA. Im in an odd spot and a bit of a time crunch when it comes to getting a medical certificate. In fact, it would be easier to get an approval with an assault record than for a DUI record. Like many organizations, the FAA puts its own authority, power and existence ahead of those, whom it is supposed to serve. About a week before I was suppose to be soloed I went for my medical and was told by my AME that I cant fly because I take adderal. I was better off lying. I wish somebody would have told me that last year when I filled out my first med in 11 years. You are better off to work truthfully with your AME. If you have vision with only one eye, you can get a Statement of Demonstrated Ability (SODA) by taking a Medical Flight Test. My understanding is that the FAA cannot see your personal medical records without your permission so how are guys getting caught. Medical certificates are designated as first-class, second-class, or third-class. FAA Disqualifying Conditions: Bipolar Disorder. I suffer from multiple personality disorder, but all of the voices affirm they are qualified pilots. If you qualify for an FAA medical certificate, they will issue it to you at the end of your appointment, document your exam findings, and transmit your application to the FAA. All FAA medical certificate applicants are required to acknowledge that warning before submitting their application in MedXPress. One will get a license. Sure BUT would that condition really effect his flying? Probably, we certainly arent as full of ourselves as I was when I was a young man. I know of several. G E King, Both have risks. I dont know for a fact other pilots lie on their medical, but pretty sure some I know do. A 3rd class medical should not be required for a private pilots license. :). I disclosed everything on my original medical as a student pilot. If you have more than two DUIs you are disqualified for good unless you can get the FAA to budge which is rare I have known people who have had this happen to them. PO Box 882196 None of the above activities has any significant medical requirement. What are the chances you will get caught? The process is so closed ,opaque, and bureaucratic. I also feel that anyone flying not-for-hire who can truthfully answer no to all the medical questions should be allowed to submit that form directly to the FAA and maintain his medical without needing to see his AME. The FAAs denial letter may look daunting, but time and time again, airmen with a history of ADHD are being issued medical certification following the appropriate presentation of the airmens fitness for flight. If your application passes AMCDs scrutiny, the certificate your AME issued will remain valid for a period of time determined by your age and the type of certificate you applied for. They are actually almost the same as for Third Class. Find another AME. If you have determined that you are not healthy enough to fly sport, then you have done exactly what the Sport program is intended to do; leave the decision to the pilot. I am all in favour of your own doctors certificate of good health. I need some advice from experienced pilots / medical professionals about a problem. have you ever once in your life had and on the other hand they are so vague. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. Last summer I went to get my 3rd class med. Period. Whether or not your AME issues your medical certificate, the FAAs Aeromedical Certification Division (AMCD) will review your application. One is. So at least the medical makes we go for a check up. Youd think somebody in the FAA would be ashamed of being this dumb and show a little initiative and courage to fix such obvious issues instead of burying their tiny little heads in the sand. If your AME does not spot anything on your physical exam, you have a clean driving record and you have never served in the military, chances are that the FAA will not question the information you submit in MedXPress. The AME Guide explains that the question pertains to unexplained unconsciousness. This is especially true of hearing. I wonder if your AME is really doing everything he can to be your advocate in this situation. Im not sure what I think about all this but Ill tell you my story. Im 64 and working on my PP license. They were like so we dont think you ever had it Passed tests with flying colors. You would be surprised how many complaints FSDOs receive for folks reporting their family members. Ultimately, a yes response to 18m. When that happens, your whole medical history will come under review. Make no mistake: Form 8500-8 is a legal instrument, unlike many other documents. Most those fellas at the FAA seem pretty smart, but they must be pretty spineless too. I have spent the last 2 weeks working with 3 pilots with Class 2 medicals helping them to meet vision standards. Federal Aviation Regulations require that a pilots distant vision be 20 /20 or better, with or without correction, in EACH eye separately to hold a first or second class medical certificate. Again, Im not arguing against the need for medical certification, but the process needs some serious streamlining. Anymore stringent than the First Class Medical is now would end up grounding many older pilots. The Third Class is an absolute joke. If you you diagnosed with some sort of Learning Disability like ADD,ADHD,OCD,LD it doesnt make a difference. An exam for a third class medical certificate with a student pilot certificate can cost between $75 and $150. Thank you for the post. Multiple assaults or domestic convictions might indicate some psychiatric disturbance that requires looking into. How come the standards are so different now? Unfortunately some do lie. I understand why a lot of this stuff, like the sport pilot initiative, takes so long and always falls short, but cmon, this one is easy and its gonna bite them in the ass. FAA sets up high-level alerts for missed airline inspections, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. People who are actually depressed long term are not really at risk of doing things like this if they were, they wouldnt be here to start with. While I dont think most will lie on their medicals, I feel that some will if they have an issue and are in fear of losing their certificate(s). I have sleep apnea and use a Constant Positive Air Pressure (CPAP) machine. Nope, they requested an entirely new one. He never lied. For those who fly for a living, YOU are the natural enemy doctor. Regardless of whether or not you would get caught, a better question to ask is why would you try to get away with it? I did years later and got totally cleared. PLEASE HELP thank you, that will be $110. There shouldnt be different standards. At least my livelihood doesnt depend on it. I was told at a young age I could not fly with one eye, but latter in life I found out I could with a medical waver. You and I both know our government never needs to justify their efforts.lol. The FAA makes it clear what counts as a disqualifying condition. Responding to a letter from the FAA about your medical certificate almost always requires you to provide detailed notes from your treating physician(s) and other objective evidence to show you are safe to fly. I know a guy from the US (cant tell his name) that told me that he has lied at least one time, he was overweight and had high blood pressure, he was medicated but he never told that in his annual. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. Id never put my family in danger and drive a car if I wasnt feeling well, why would anyone think Id fly that way? Yes, I lie about the counseling part. If the AME says that you do need to provide X, Y, and Z, get all of that together before going in to see the AME. It is important to point out, according to the AOPA, there have been no accidents related to pilots self-certifying and flying under the Sport program, and many of those pilots Im sure, were under the same misconception as me! Read from the question directly above the one you linked to: Long-standing FAA regulation, 61.53, prohibits all pilotsthose who are required to hold airman medical certificates and those who are notfrom exercising privileges during periods of medical deficiency. Your signature at the bottom authorizes the FAA to search the National Drivers Registry for violations involving alcohol or illegal drugs, for instance, so you may want to think twice about trying to conceal a drunk driving conviction. If after that the FAA denied your application, you can seek reconsideration of that denial by making a few substantive arguments. 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